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MedEvil
post Yesterday, 10:44 PM
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M$ hands Visual Studio out for free to hoobyists.
You can go to the following site and pick the right ide for your language in your language. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa975050.aspx

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There's still no MS Delphi - is pascal considered a programming language? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


From Borland you find their programming suites as well - not free but usable as trial - http://www.codegear.com/products

Or the open source Pascal/Delphi suite - http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/

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post Today, 01:14 PM
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I spend yesterday the whole evening searching and testing IDE and editors.
And couldn't find anything that did what i wanted. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)
I thought my requirements were quite reasonable.
- A compiler for C and/or C++
- Maybe a tool for creating the GUI for the program
- A editor with syntax highlighting and autocomplete
- The whole in a reasonable sized package

M$ and Borland aim even with their scaled down Express and Turbo versions at 1GB and what's even worst require both .NET. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif) (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)

Looking for autocomplete in editors was just as much frightning.
- most don't have it
- some complete to what they like, without giving one a chance to choose
- some complete, but really just the word. No () or required arguments are given

And all that while i wasn't even checking autocomplete for own classes and functions, but just simple if, else, while, printf, ...

Can anyone recommend a editor or not to overgrown IDE with a good autocomplete for C or C++?

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Hmm.. guess you're right - I see what you mean. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


How about using other languages like php, java or even AutoIt?

All of them very portable and self contained.



As a delphi 7 user I'd say that the IDE is spoiling me with good treats - the help system for knowing what each functions does is only a F1 keypress away and the auto-complete menu works fairly good.

For C++ isn't the older (and free) borland compiler under your requisites?
http://www.codegear.com/downloads/free/cppbuilder

Now it's only missing a good C code/GUI editor - hope someone can point out better alternatives to solve this question.




A few more links to C compilers: http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/cpp.shtml




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QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Nov 17 2007, 02:31 PM) *
For C++ isn't the older (and free) borland compiler under your requisites?

The borland compiler is fine, just like a few others.
Also finding a GUI creator isn't the problem. If i don't find one i like, i write only console apps! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But i absolutely have to have a decent auto complete. I havn't done any coding in about 7 years and even back then, i relied havily on autocomplete to know what function required what arguments, not to mention to seriously reduce typing! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I would say, only about 1/3 of the my code was actually written by me. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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QUOTE (MedEvil @ Nov 17 2007, 06:56 PM) *
The borland compiler is fine, just like a few others.
Also finding a GUI creator isn't the problem. If i don't find one i like, i write only console apps! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But i absolutely have to have a decent auto complete. I havn't done any coding in about 7 years and even back then, i relied havily on autocomplete to know what function required what arguments, not to mention to seriously reduce typing! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I would say, only about 1/3 of the my code was actually written by me. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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I'm using Visual Studio 2003 since it came up. And I'm satisfied with the auto-s it offers:
  • Class members as popup, just after typing the 'dot'
  • Function definitions as tooltip, with highlight of the current actual argument.
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I made a reduced express version of vstudio2k5 some time back which is 38 Mb. The new 2008 version is much larger.
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QUOTE (psc @ Nov 17 2007, 07:11 PM) *
I'm using Visual Studio 2003 since it came up. And I'm satisfied with the auto-s it offers:
  • Class members as popup, just after typing the 'dot'
  • Function definitions as tooltip, with highlight of the current actual argument.
Peter

Yes we used back then Visual Studio too, with some addon to improve the auto complete.
Worked really great. While typing one could always see the little box showing what it would complete to at the moment and always giving the needed argument typs. This reduced greatly the need to look into the MSDN.

But the Express studio for just C++ is today not only far bigger than the whole studio back then, but ridiculously bigger!
What feature could they possibly include that blows the IDE up that way? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Maybe searching for some older version of VS, could yield results.?
Weren't ther always some free for personal use versions from M$?

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QUOTE (MedEvil @ Nov 17 2007, 07:28 PM) *
Yes we used back then Visual Studio too, with some addon to improve the auto complete.
Worked really great. While typing one could always see the little box showing what it would complete to at the moment and always giving the needed argument typs. This reduced greatly the need to look into the MSDN.

But the Express studio for just C++ is today not only far bigger than the whole studio back then, but ridiculously bigger!
What feature could they possibly include that blows the IDE up that way? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Maybe searching for some older version of VS, could yield results.?
Weren't ther always some free for personal use versions from M$?

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I do not remember any free / personal version before 2005.

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