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> A few requests/suggestions for IMDISK, Some features that I would find useful
Olof Lagerkvist
post Jul 8 2007, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE (bobsobol @ Jul 8 2007, 01:32 AM) *
My only request would be, please don't relight on .net framework. I do not have, and will never install that piece of garbage VM.

Then again, I see no real need for a GUI, I'm quite happy running from the command line.

Well, as I see the demands for a better GUI is growing I really think that a simple VB.NET application would be the easiest and best solution. They are very easy to build and maintain after all. But I principally agree with you anyway and I think that people like you and me will continue to use the tools as they are today (with fixes and additional features over time of course). I will continue to maintain a command line application with access to all available features in the driver and a simple GUI application much like the current Control Panel applet without any additional run-time requirements and then a separate GUI application more intended for the people who like self-learning, user-adjustable graphical user interfaces and who don't mind that take priority over keeping the program files small.
QUOTE (bobsobol @ Jul 8 2007, 01:32 AM) *
Perhaps we are moving into a realm where Setup Options are in order?

Yes maybe, or as a completely separate install. I don't know yet what would be best but I think that it would be a good idea to have a very small installation package with just the minimal control applications as it is now, and then another package (possibly including the first one internally) that installs a better graphical user interface.
QUOTE (bobsobol @ Jul 8 2007, 01:32 AM) *
An equivalent of ImDisk.exe as an ImDisk.dll that could be called from other languages without each tool including a lot of custom code would be nice tho. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That exists already, imdisk.cpl exports practically everything needed as a few simple to use functions. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 8 2007, 06:14 AM
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Separate CMD tool + separate GUI file (or two) would be fine (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (much like filedisk utility).

In fact imdisk.cpl is fine as it is right now. A user can make a shortcut to it anywhere he/her likes.

But "minimize" button on imdisk.cpl control window would be great (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Nuno Brito
post Jul 8 2007, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (bobsobol @ Jul 7 2007, 11:32 PM) *
I like AutoIt... but when you talk about "Round Buttons" I do know where you are coming from. Buttons made with VB6 forms are just like any other buttons made in Delphi or AutoIt or any other language.
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Round buttons in the sense of an acessible UI - one that even people who can't set up an email account for themselves on hotmail can use. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)


Olof, there's no need to bloat simple tools with an over complicated work environment and I really think that autoIt is a good solution for your case.


I also recommend AutoIt over any other basic type platform. Only uses a single standalone file with ~122Kb as interpreter to run any autoit scripts which we can later compile to an exe if needed and run under Win9x up to Vista.

Won't require .NET installed nor downloading hundreds of megs worth of vb compilers.

Your GUI script would surely be sized in just a few Kb and everyone would be able to join and help - wasn't this what you needed? (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


At least try autoIt once before saying that you don't like it - and I will stop bothering you with this suggestion (even thought I should promoting delphi here, but I think you'd prefer a more familiar language.. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

It's a well implemented basic language and a lof of support is given on their forums which are very helpfull, please visit and test to see how easy it is to understand.

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Olof Lagerkvist
post Jul 8 2007, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Jul 8 2007, 02:02 PM) *
I also recommend AutoIt over any other basic type platform. Only uses a single standalone file with ~122Kb as interpreter to run any autoit scripts which we can later compile to an exe if needed and run under Win9x up to Vista.

Your GUI script would surely be sized in just a few Kb and everyone would be able to join and help - wasn't this what you needed? (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Yes I can try it, I just had never heard about it before and thought I wanted to use something very common, well-known and well-supported. If in fact this is the case for AutoIt then it may very well be a good solution. I have used Visual Basic for about 10 years and it is very well-known and supported language everywhere and that is the tool I use for most projects where the priority lies on the graphical user interface so that is why I thought about it first.
QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Jul 8 2007, 02:02 PM) *
At least try autoIt once before saying that you don't like it - and I will stop bothering you with this suggestion (even thought I should promoting delphi here, but I think you'd prefer a more familiar language.. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

What scared me a bit was to use a relatively unknown development enviroment or tool and then end up with a lot of code that not many people understand how to work with. Again, I may of course be wrong at this point about AutoIt, it is probably more unknown to me (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And yes, Pascal-based languages are for me something between C/C++ and Basic-based languages that I have never felt I have had any need for. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Sounds a bit hard spoken, but actually I would have had a very limited use of Delphi with the kind of projects I work with so that is the main reason I have never used it actually. It should be said though that I find Delphi code easy to read and understand and I know a few (but often very large) open-source or otherwise free software projects in Delphi so I know it is being used somewhere after all. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 8 2007, 12:32 PM
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Though this could seem some kind of "self-promotion", do have a look at the small "pseudo-GUI" I wrote for Ken Kato's VDK:
http://home.graffiti.net/jaclaz:graffiti.n...ts/VDM/vdm.html

It is written in BATCH language, (the only one I am able to write something working) and uses the WIZARD'S APPRENTICE (Wizapp.exe is 150 Kb).

As Nuno said, an Auto-it pseudo-GUI would be MORE than enough, using .NET is like using a bazooka to shoot at flies!


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post Jul 8 2007, 12:47 PM
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I have now done two small changes that I thought was easy to do in the existing Control Panel applet. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 3 2007, 01:52 PM) *
1. Visibility of the IMDISK control panel

I have changed the window style so that it is now an "application window" and with a minimize button.
QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 3 2007, 01:52 PM) *
5. Size of image visualization
The method of visualization for size of the image in the IMDISK main window appears different from "standard" windows, i.e. a floppy disk image is shown as being "1.406 MB" instead of the "usual" "1,440 KB" we are used to see.

I have changed it now to "thousands of KB display" for floppy sizes 2,880 KB, 1,722 KB, 1,680 KB, 1,440 KB and 1,200 KB.
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post Jul 8 2007, 01:21 PM
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VERY good! (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

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post Jul 8 2007, 01:43 PM
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I wasn't really serious about suggesting .NET for use in a PE environment. That would definitely be a bad idea.

Only this week the MS support answer to a problem we were having at work with XP + Sp2 was - we don't support VB6 any more.
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post Jul 8 2007, 01:53 PM
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Just tried it. GREAT (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)


Frankly speaking if "2. Preset settings" could be incorporated into existing GUI I don't think any other GUI creating is needed (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


PS "Mount as ImDisk Virtual Disk" on any item is still here but I already had the previous version installed, maybe I should try a clean installation if this exist in the latest version.
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QUOTE (paraglider @ Jul 8 2007, 03:43 PM) *
I wasn't really serious about suggesting .NET for use in a PE environment. That would definitely be a bad idea.

Not in a PE environment of course, in such cases a small tool like the current command line tool and Control Panel applet is perfect. Less features but small and easy to use for what they are mostly used for. I really don't expect that people need features like image file history and things like that in a PE environment... (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

On the other hand there are other situations where people may be working with lots of different kind of image files etc and where a graphical user interface with some of the features jaclaz requested in the original post would be preferred over keeping the size of the application files small. Also, as it is right now it is easy to build different user interfaces for ImDisk because of the functions exported by the imdisk.cpl file so it could very well be worth trying to develop two different GUI applications as the driver interfacing technical things are kept in one place anyway.
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