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 Moon Goon
post Sep 12 2006, 07:32 PM
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I don't like the part about "Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation". Outright hacking is for a different forum but intelligent discussion on free-use should be okay.

For instance, MS says you lose your license when you replace your motherboard and thus you can't activate. Well, that's pretty lame. If I wanted to discuss how to bypass that issue with my legitimate bought and paid for copy of XP I should be able to.

Regardless, this is boot-land for a reason, so it would be an off-topic at best. This is for booting stuff and not modding XP like MSFN. I just don't like to see the free exchange of knowledge curtailed.

Just my opinion (both for and against) WPA/WGA topics.. Not a showstopper for me (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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 TheHive
post Sep 12 2006, 07:40 PM
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I agree with your statements.
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 jaclaz
post Sep 13 2006, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE (Moon Goon)
For instance, MS says you lose your license when you replace your motherboard and thus you can't activate. Well, that's pretty lame. If I wanted to discuss how to bypass that issue with my legitimate bought and paid for copy of XP I should be able to.

Well, it all depends on the license you have, the "new" OEM EULA is like you say, other type licenses and the "old" OEM one are different.

I personally do not like Microsoft licensing scheme, nor their EULA, I also, even if I am not a lawyer, find that most probably the "contract" made by the EULA is a null one, as you only can read it only AFTER you bought the software and/or piece of hardware with accompanying OEM software, and, besides, at least in Europe a large number of clauses are patently null or can be nullified by a court.

You might however want to re-consider the basic erroneous assumption you, and most people by the way (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , are making:
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bought and paid for copy of XP

you certainly paid for your copy of XP, but you NEVER bought it.

You might want to read this interesting document:
http://www.cyber.com.au/cyber/about/compar...gpl_to_eula.pdf

But the main point is that you are NOT buying a product, but a License to use it:

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19. The Product is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties.
Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the
Product. The Product is licensed, not sold.

Analysis
Even if you bought this product, it does NOT belong to you. You have a license to use it under the
terms of this agreement, until you breach this agreement.
It is of great importance to understand the significance of this. Many users who purchase products like this from Microsoft are under the mis-conception that since they may have paid hundreds or perhaps thousands of dollars for it, that it must therefore belong to them, much like a car, chair or clothes do once purchased, or particularly a book - which can be lent, read by others, quoted from etc. This is wrong. The software product belongs (totally) to Microsoft, who allow, at their discretion, your use of the product. Non-compliance with the product's license may see you lose that privilege.


I guess that every single user of Microsoft Software has, had or will have broken the EULA one time or another.

If you read attentively the EULA, for example, the transfer to third party is limited to first buyer, so that for example, if you buy a used computer from a shop whom acquired it from a customer, theoretically the shop is breaking the EULA, and your license would not be valid, though it will be tough to demonstrate it.

In large companies it is quite common to let employees buy the computer they use when systems are changed/upgraded, now, if the company directly bought the PC's from the producer, there is no problem, but if those PC's were bought through a leasing company, there would be a more-than-once-transfer and thus a breaking of the EULA, but I still have to see MS sueing anyone for this.

As said, I personally find a lot of the clauses of the EULA unjust, excessively limiting the freedom of the customer, arbitrary and dispotic, but they are there.

So, besides the consideration of the lawfullness of it, as you mentioned, talking about activation and how to bypass it would be however an off-topic, and one that could theoretically attract the attention of MS lawyers, and I don't think that it would do any good to the board.

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 Moon Goon
post Sep 13 2006, 06:06 PM
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I know it's not a product - it's a license. You're right - most people don't know what they actually bought.

My real point is making WPA a taboo topic can lead to bad things. Mature mods who spare the rod can hang with many taboo topics. In the future there may be less mature mods or want-to-be-mods who will use taboo topics as a power trip. The less rules the less for member and mods to trip on. If a post is too sketchy people will just not respond (or suggest a different forum)

I think this board is run well and I have not seen an unfair move yet. The response to the Delphi and RecoverySoft posts was *very* fair and polite. Even though the topic was sketchy it was left open for people to provide proper answers.

Again, the rules are okay by me. I already know what the evil men with suits and briefcases can do. This is just an observation.
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 Mikorist
post Sep 13 2006, 07:24 PM
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Nice rules (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)
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 jaclaz
post Sep 13 2006, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (Moon Goon)
My real point is making WPA a taboo topic can lead to bad things. Mature mods who spare the rod can hang with many taboo topics. In the future there may be less mature mods or want-to-be-mods who will use taboo topics as a power trip. The less rules the less for member and mods to trip on. If a post is too sketchy people will just not respond (or suggest a different forum)


Yes, I see what you mean, and most probably the vast majority of bootland members are mature enough to deal with "sketchy" items, the problem is the tiny minority...(IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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 RiS
post Jun 13 2007, 10:17 PM
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Clear and simple! (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/what.gif) and very common too!

Like I said on my first post, I shalldo my best to not break it!

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