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> DON'T Vote for greenplug!!, It's a scam, read the whole story by Jaclaz!
 
 Nuno Brito
post Feb 7 2009, 04:13 PM
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If you're a bit like me then you always see the floor filled with all sort of power chargers.

One for the laptop, another for the PDA, another for the external HDD drive, etc, etc.

Most of these devices require similar power levels, yet, I need to carry a separate charger for each of them whenever going from one location to the next.

One thing I noticed from my recent equipment is that some devices like PDA's and cellphones can already charge up using power derived from USB ports using an ordinary USB cable.

This is an handy feature and would be nice to see it extended and I stumbled on a nice project called "Green Plug Universal Power Adaptor".

They need votes and if you find this idea appealing then why not placing a vote?

Don't know if it will make a difference but would be nice to see a solution.

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--- EDIT ---

They fooled me well. Please read the topic below that was made by Jaclaz which provides a good detail about this (scam) project.

http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com

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 jaclaz
post Feb 7 2009, 05:31 PM
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Nice idea, and I do like thingies that already have a USB "B" miniplug for the charger. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

But I can't see the reason for the "green". (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Solar chargers are "green", this one is "green" (also because you will re-use some parts of a dead CD drive):
http://www.instructables.com/id/Breath-powered-USB-charger/

(IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Sure, lots of things go wasted, and any way to lessen human impact on environment should be welcomed, however, the site is misleading, at least in my view, it seems like it's a "no-profit" "echological" initiative, in reality, it's a company financed with an astoundingly (in my view ) high sum:
$1.2 millions! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2008/124686.html
that developed/wants to develop:
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Green Plug, the first developer of digital technology enabling real-time collaboration between electronic devices and their power sources, will demonstrate its new electronics component chip - called the Green Plug Universal Power Protocol. Green Plug is the developer of green talk - a digital protocol for real-time communication between devices that require power and their power sources. This technology allows for the charging of multiple DC-powered devices with differing power requirements from a single power supply.

what appears at first sight a "proprietary" standard - moreover IMHO unneedingly overkill/overcomplex.

The "real" site is here:
http://www.greenplug.us/

They want to sell their product.

Please note how the actual "no-profit" link on this page:
http://www.greenplug.us/oneplug.php
is (intentionally? casually? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) broken AND mis-spelled, thus not working (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) :
http://www.alllianceforuniversalpower.org/

Here is the good one (one "l" less (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ):
http://www.allianceforuniversalpower.org/

Nothing against people wanting to sell their work or ideas, mind you:
http://www.greenplug.us/products.php

But I would call the site:
http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com/
literally tricking people into voting for their proprietary connector and "talk" technology, WITHOUT giving any background, info and the like AND making it appear as an "echological" campaign. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)

Congratulations (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/1st.gif) , they got you! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

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 Nuno Brito
post Feb 7 2009, 05:47 PM
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Wow... I've been punk'd! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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First post quickly modified to warn other readers. It's a misleading site indeed.

The correct link for the "Alliance for Universal Power Supplies" is here:
http://www.allianceforuniversalpower.org/home.php

On the greenplug site they add an extra L in Allliance at the URL that quickly escapes the eye.

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My thanks to Jaclaz for the quick warning and extensive investigation, too bad it's too late to remove my vote.. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/angry7.gif)
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 jaclaz
post Feb 7 2009, 07:13 PM
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The bad news is that you fell for it (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , the good news is that at the moment of this writing besides you, other 6513 morons inexperienced internet users people (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/happy22.gif) fell for it. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

To partially excuse your momentarily brain fart (and that of probably most of the other 6513 people), the site is well designed, pleasant to the eye, the "pop-up" or opening window linked by "What is Green Plug?" is intentionally written in a very unclear manner, carefully avoiding to use the TM TradeMark symbol (which viceversa is all over the place on the "real" site).

(IMG:http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com/images/whatisgreenplug.png)


Compare the above with the text here:
http://www.greenplug.us/oneplug.php
QUOTE
One Plug - One Planet
Green Plug is the developer of GreentalkTM - a secure, digital protocol for realtime collaboration between devices that need power and their power sources. The first Green PlugTM implementation is a highly efficient power adapter hub that is able to simultaneously power multiple devices, each with its own energy demand. Green PlugTM technology maximizes resources, minimizes solid waste from obsolete chargers, and eliminates wasted energy. When devices collaborate with power supplies, an unprecedented amount of monitoring, control and optimization becomes possible.

Our long term mission is to ensure that every electrical device from refrigerator to server speaks GreentalkTM to level power requirements for utility companies and reduce energy consumption.


Which one is clearer? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Mind you, the idea is nice, most probably the device is good, but why do they ask consumers to "vote" them?

Most probably to be able to tell someone (the Press, the U.S. Congress, presidents of foreign countries, manufacturers, whoever): "look we are the best, people like us, look at how many votes we got".

Let's see the "other" page:
http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com/comments.php

HOW THE HECK (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) did they get all those (ONLY) positive comments, since there is no comment form (unless of course you vote (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , and you can only vote YES (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/happy22.gif) )

Let me think ......(IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/dubbio.gif)

Do you think they are edited? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

But the most interesting thing is the "Why?" link on voting page:
(IMG:http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com/images/why.png)

The reason for giving them your e-mail address is:
QUOTE
Providing an email address makes our vote count more credible when we share the number of votes with manufacturers


Now let me see. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Their Privacy statement:
http://www.iwantmygreenplug.com/privacy.html

Contains:
QUOTE
Commitment to Data Security
Your personally identifiable information is kept secure. Only authorized employees, agents and contractors (who have agreed to keep information secure and confidential) have access to this information. All emails and newsletters from this site allow you to opt out of further mailings.


So, you may be targeted by e-mails and newsletters (without anywhere a place to give or refuse your consent - and of course a Privacy Statement has much more "weight" than the promise inside the "Why?") but Only authorized employees, agents and contractors will see your e-mail address.


Now I wonder how they would share the number of votes with manufacturers, while making the vote count more credible WITHOUT sharing actual e-mail addresses? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/dubbio.gif)

A list like:
QUOTE
2008-12-12 10:15 AM 1 vote (positive) from <real e-mail address removed> Comment: Great! Keep up the good work.
2008-12-12 11:24 AM 1 vote (positive) from <anonymous> Comment: None
.....


Definitely first line looks a lot more credible than the second.....(IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

Let's see the logic:
In the text everyone (well not everyone, but most people) reads, they induce the reader into thinking that a number of manufacturer ALREADY license the technology:
QUOTE
Consumer electronics, residential and commercial builders, power tools and power supply manufacturers license ....


whilst in the mostly unread "Why?", it is clear that they will use the votes to induce manufacturers to adopt the technology in the future.....

My "spreadsheet" detects a Circular Reference somewhere....(IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

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