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 mr_
post Dec 15 2008, 09:07 PM
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I found an interesting discussion http://portableapps.com/node/16594 (about how to abuse an U3 device as bootable USB-CDROM emulator) and a link to a guide how to turn a normal non-U3 pendrive into a one with CD partition perhaps bootable http://blog.usboffice.kr/?p=146 (use with care, you can destroy your whole device)

USBDeview is also an excellent tool if you need some informations so you can find the correct mass production tools.

Unfortunately the device was neither bootable by USB-CDROM for me and also in DOS I've did try Bart's CD-ROM driver disk and all DOS USB drivers and couldn't find this fakes USB-CDROM, only in Windows seen as faked CD.

I would like to know if someone had more success then me with booting the faked USB-CDROM.
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 Lancelot
post Dec 15 2008, 09:31 PM
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I havent test as i dont have a u3 device, but check here (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) :
http://www.msfn.org/board/Install-XP-USB-easy-t121502.html
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 mr_
post Dec 15 2008, 10:09 PM
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You missed my piont:
possible also for non-U3 devices.
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 Lancelot
post Dec 15 2008, 10:22 PM
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yes mr_ ,
sorry for wrong writing of me
http://blog.usboffice.kr/?p=146 have vendor list that should be used
sadly my usb stick is a very regular one with vendorid: 04b4
i only wanted to share the topic i found before.
And thank you for these useful links
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 jaclaz
post Dec 16 2008, 08:29 AM
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Sure, it is possible also for some of the non U3 it all depends on the Mass Production Tool, and on the actual chip inside the stick.

FYI:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=125138

Besides the known (and difficult to access/read/understand) Chinese links, there is also this (a bit easier) Russian site:
http://flashboot.ru/index.php?name=iflash

Something you may want to try (maybe it works with the USB CD) (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) is BCDL:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18650

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 mr_
post Dec 17 2008, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (jaclaz @ Dec 16 2008, 08:29 AM) *
Something you may want to try (maybe it works with the USB CD) (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) is BCDL:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18650

You seam to be interested in DOS USB drivers, see the DOS wiki http://www.drdos.org/~a0503736/php/drdoswi....php?n=Main.USB
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 jaclaz
post Dec 17 2008, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (mr_ @ Dec 17 2008, 04:09 PM) *
You seam to be interested in DOS USB drivers, see the DOS wiki http://www.drdos.org/~a0503736/php/drdoswi....php?n=Main.USB


Thanks (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , but most of that info needs updating.

We have more recent info, here, on 911cd and msfn.org.

Maybe, since you are "wiki willing" I could give you my links and you could put together a wiki page (or add the info to that one) with this info. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

jaclaz

P.S.: I cannot reply to your PM since your inbox is full, however, here it is:
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Yep, RE-read this:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?sho...650&start=4

Reanimatolog has vanished from the scene....(IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Dec 17 2008, 04:40 PM
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I wasn't able to boot this faked CD-ROM anywhere.

But I think there are two different kinds of faked CD-ROM. "Real" faked CD-ROM and "need Windows to exists faked CD-ROM", mine seams the latter.

The faked CD-ROM is not seen in Linux, neither any DOS CD-ROM driver works and also neither any DOS USB CD-ROM driver works.

Sounds this plausible?

QUOTE (jaclaz @ Dec 17 2008, 04:11 PM) *
Thanks (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , but most of that info needs updating.


QUOTE (jaclaz @ Dec 17 2008, 04:11 PM) *
We have more recent info, here, on 911cd and msfn.org.

Well, it's hard to find if you are not in your business so long. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (jaclaz @ Dec 17 2008, 04:11 PM) *
Maybe, since you are "wiki willing" I could give you my links and you could put together a wiki page (or add the info to that one) with this info. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

You can give it to me and I will see.

Well, the drdos.org wiki is imho no good software, I prefer mediawiki.

It's just questionable which wiki to use. drdos.org isn't visited much, neither grub4dos wiki is (and grub4dos related), I think a wiki would be cool on bootland.

I also don't like wiki because it's "cool", it's practical. In forum old postings are lost after a while and threads blow up with questions and discussions and such, no one is allowed to edit the post of another due to outdated or wrong. In a wiki you have can create a very nice overview of informations but the best reason is the teamwork effect.
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 jaclaz
post Dec 17 2008, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE (mr_ @ Dec 17 2008, 06:40 PM) *
I wasn't able to boot this faked CD-ROM anywhere.

But I think there are two different kinds of faked CD-ROM. "Real" faked CD-ROM and "need Windows to exists faked CD-ROM", mine seams the latter.

The faked CD-ROM is not seen in Linux, neither any DOS CD-ROM driver works and also neither any DOS USB CD-ROM driver works.

Sounds this plausible?

Possible, yes. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Plausible, NO. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
At least on the one stick where I could test the feature, the stick was seen by BIOS as a bootable CD device.

It is possible that the problem is simply in the BIOS of your machine(s), like many of the reported problems with USB booting.

On the other hand it is VERY plausible (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) that no DOS drivers can detect it, and as well that the particular stick you used has not this feature (and thus it is a "need Windows" one (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) )

However, in order to be bootable, a stick needs NO drivers (DOS, Windows or Linux) it needs to be supported by BIOS. (or by a USB BIOS-like stack, like PLoP).
Once the real mode part of the OS (the whole OS for DOS) has booted, THEN an OS specific driver may be needed.



About links, here (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) :
The three "must have"
http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/usbdrv.html
http://vivil.free.fr/usbdosboot/
http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/

Additional info/ideas/hints:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21053
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...=4260&st=10
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=20310
http://www.msfn.org/board/Generic_98_USB_d..._98_t99220.html
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=126444
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46581
http://www.mdgx.com/files/USBASPI.TXT
http://www.mdgx.com/files/USBASPI.EXE

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 ktp
post Dec 23 2008, 06:07 PM
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Fantastic ! I want to report that it works flawlessly for me with a Corsair Voyager GT (8 GB). This device is mentioned as working in the referenced article.

The BIOS see it as two USB devices of same vendor. When I select the first USB device, it is a fake CD as expected. And under XP, the faked CD is recognized too without problem.

Next wish list would be to be able to build multiple fake CD on the same key ! This way you can carry on the same key lot of bootable CDs (XP install, Vista install, Linux etc...). A dream that most people would like to get with grub4dos and iso emulation (storing several iso images on the same key and selectively boot them. But we know that this is currently technically impossible since it depends on the iso (real/protected mode switch).

Edit: well first I think about the iso like XP/Vista or Linux, but it could be a multibootable DVD iso containing bcdw ! So this gives way to lot of possibilities (XP install, BartPE/VistaPE, DOS images...).
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