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 MedEvil
post Dec 19 2008, 01:03 PM
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Well i can build from win2k3, which is free to download.
Also the nforce thing i don't quite get, do you mean really one driver for all lan or would a set of nforce drivers be good enough. Cause the later works quite well.

Your other points seem to be valid, but then i have no experience with Vista. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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 Nuno Brito
post Dec 19 2008, 01:42 PM
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Don't forget about FBWF features which are so handy to use or the differences between NTFS versions that *might (?)* corrupt your file systems.

Also, Windows PE 2.x comes ready out of the box for RAM boot which is easier to use at CD/DVD, USB pendisks or PXE LAN boot.

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Would be fun to give a shot at building "our" Windows 7 from source.

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 MedEvil
post Dec 19 2008, 04:43 PM
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FBWF has worked for PE 1.x long before it worked for VistaPE! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
And for NTFS 6.0 in XP is a patch available, as far as i know.

Ramboot is really a drawback for XP based builds, but not for Win2k3 based builds. Though, i still don't understand, why it won't work with XP, especialy since it was planed for as one can read in ntldr and setupldr. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif)

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 Nuno Brito
post Dec 19 2008, 06:09 PM
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Yes, I know it worked but I meant working as an out-of-the-box feature instead of joining several pieces of software from other MS developments.

It's legal to use WinPE 2.x from WAIK for free but you can't say the same with miscellaneous licenses from Windows Embedded, Windows XP and Windows 2003 (trial) where a license must be purchased and certain features like FBWF are very specific to certain products that they have designated.

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 MedEvil
post Dec 19 2008, 08:59 PM
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Unfortunately, the license to use WAIK is also restrictive enough to make a PE of our style illegal.

I stumbled across this, when i had the idea for a 'free Windows'. It was meant to be assembled of only freely and legaly downloadable parts.
However freely and legaly downloadable, does unfortunately not mean freely and legaly usable. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/frusty.gif)

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post Dec 19 2008, 09:06 PM
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eheh.. I understand you really well.. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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A question to the audience: Is there any MS-law that prevents us from building a running windows OS without using their in-house install process? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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 Lancelot
post Dec 19 2008, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (ctmag @ Dec 19 2008, 10:49 AM) *
well, 90% should be possible with XP PE but there will be some things that can't be done under XP


QUOTE (ctmag @ Dec 19 2008, 02:36 PM) *
- ever got an nforce lan driver working that works on all nforce boards under XP PE?

on the other hand, nforce lan drivers can be prepared (and already prepared) for all nforce boards (defined in dps package), and already we have script which automatically selects and installs (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE (ctmag @ Dec 19 2008, 02:36 PM) *
- can you build xp based PE from completely free downloadbale sources like VPE is done from server 2008?
Yes, as MedEvil pointed out, 2k3sp1 and 2k3sp2

also there are utilities that take drivers from vista (x86 - x64) which are used with pe1. And i saw driver injection utility (that works with also pe1) to vista yesterday and there will be similar projects coming soon, well i am not a vista fun and dont use vista.


besides about this %10, new ntfs is not supported by pe1 which doesnt make trouble for accessing files but Vista Symbolic links and junctions cannot be understandable by pe (or xp), lets see what will happen (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .


QUOTE (ctmag @ Dec 19 2008, 02:36 PM) *
- ever used VistaRecoveryEnvironment under XP PE :-) (really handy when fixing vista systems, especially when using msdart 6 (also needed for troubleshooting vista systems)
nope, but i used vista recovery for a friend, yep handful.
i have MSDaRT60_x86.msi , is there a way to use with livexp or bartpe !? if there is can you give me a direction??


QUOTE (MedEvil @ Dec 19 2008, 06:43 PM) *
And for NTFS 6.0 in XP is a patch available, as far as i know.
Where is it??

QUOTE (MedEvil @ Dec 19 2008, 06:43 PM) *
Ramboot is really a drawback for XP based builds, but not for Win2k3 based builds. Though, i still don't understand, why it won't work with XP, especialy since it was planed for as one can read in ntldr and setupldr. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif)
Sorry for my english, can you confirm this: You say iso files created with source2k3 dont work with ramboot? (ramdisk.sys iso boot)
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QUOTE (Lancelot @ Dec 19 2008, 06:05 PM) *
i have MSDaRT60_x86.msi , is there a way to use with livexp or bartpe !? if there is can you give me a direction??

There is no known way. The problem is sort of like setting target_root but much more difficult. It only runs once the proper conditions are established, and they are a lot more than environment variables. Only Billy knows what the needs are. Only the WIndows Vista Recovery Environment establishes the proper conditions. And getting that to run in LiveXP or equivalent is similar to getting MSDaRT to run in LiveXP.
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 MedEvil
post Dec 20 2008, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (Lancelot @ Dec 20 2008, 12:05 AM) *
Where is it??

The usual place at M$, i presume. Should also be in SP3.

QUOTE (Lancelot @ Dec 20 2008, 12:05 AM) *
Sorry for my english, can you confirm this: You say iso files created with source2k3 dont work with ramboot? (ramdisk.sys iso boot)

No! Misunderstanding!!!
PE build from pure XP source can not ramboot. But when you read inside ntldr and setupldr, you will find references to a ramboot.
So it was appearantly planed at some point and then droped for some reason.

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 Lancelot
post Dec 20 2008, 12:25 AM
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Thank you for information

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QUOTE (MedEvil @ Dec 20 2008, 02:06 AM) *
you will find references to a ramboot.
So it was appearantly planed at some point and then droped for some reason.
Yep i remember that, and now understand what you mean.

QUOTE (MedEvil @ Dec 20 2008, 02:06 AM) *
The usual place at M$, i presume. Should also be in SP3.
So you say, xpsp3 can read symbolic links and junctions of ntfs6 ! example: you have vista (normally installed) on 2nd harddisk, and with xpsp3 hostos you are using, you can easly get right info about symbolic links and junctions on 2nd disk's vista partition.

If so It will be hard for me to try that, i add to my todo list (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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