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Bluescreen (BSOD) after Play button pushed, Anti Virus disturbs
ChrisP
post Oct 9 2008, 06:57 PM
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Hi there,

because of an article of a german computer magazine I tried tu build my own VistPE with the help of WinBuilder (v075, beta5; tried beta 4 also).
Everything before I have to push Play button went fine, even installing WAIK and MSXML6.0 Parser.
I did it with original Vista Business DVD also and one time on FAT32 partition, another time an NTFS partition.
Just a short time (<1min) after pushing Play button I got a Bluescreen. Debugging it points out the fastfat.sys/ntfs.sys driver has caused the problem.
All tries I ran under WinXPH SP3.
My system:
-Acer Aspire 1692WMLi
-IP-M 1,73GHz
-2GB RAM
-ATI Mobility Radeon X700, 128MB GDDR
-80GB HDD, thereof 20GB NTFS (XPH_SP3), 45GB FAT32 Data, rest Ext3 (Ubuntu 8.04 und swap)

How can I get a logfile from WinBuilder after that crash? (Shall I post it here also?)
Does anyone know a workaround for that problem or has any suitable advises?

kind regards
Christian (aka ChrisPHL)
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post Oct 9 2008, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (ChrisP @ Oct 9 2008, 08:57 PM) *
Hi there,

because of an article of a german computer magazine I tried tu build my own VistPE with the help of WinBuilder (v075, beta5; tried beta 4 also).
Everything before I have to push Play button went fine, even installing WAIK and MSXML6.0 Parser.
I did it with original Vista Business DVD also and one time on FAT32 partition, another time an NTFS partition.
Just a short time (<1min) after pushing Play button I got a Bluescreen. Debugging it points out the fastfat.sys/ntfs.sys driver has caused the problem.
All tries I ran under WinXPH SP3.
My system:
-Acer Aspire 1692WMLi
-IP-M 1,73GHz
-2GB RAM
-ATI Mobility Radeon X700, 128MB GDDR
-80GB HDD, thereof 20GB NTFS (XPH_SP3), 45GB FAT32 Data, rest Ext3 (Ubuntu 8.04 und swap)

How can I get a logfile from WinBuilder after that crash? (Shall I post it here also?)
Does anyone know a workaround for that problem or has any suitable advises?

kind regards
Christian (aka ChrisPHL)

Hallo Christian! Erst mal willkommen in unserem Forum!

To be sure that I understood you correctly:
You did a 'normal' build of VistaPE using an 'official' Vista source CD.

During the build your host OS crashed, propably using file system ntfs / fastfat drivers

This behaviour is unknown until now and (sorry) my first assumption is that vthis is a problem of your host PC installation.

But as said,l that vis my first assumption, and maybe the reason is really inside something where WinBuilder is responsible.

Unfortunatelly currently there is no log (and I do not see a alternity for the future) when the host crashes. Weonly can catch a log when WinBuilder stops.

To get some more information, please download 'nativeEx_barebone_075' from my signatuer below.

Do not change anything besides defining the source (MUST be XP or W2003, no Vista!)

Then build the project and report the result here.

Thanks!

Peter
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post Oct 9 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE ("psc")
Hallo Christian! Erst mal willkommen in unserem Forum!

To be sure that I understood you correctly:
You did a 'normal' build of VistaPE using an 'official' Vista source CD.

Yes, definitely. (was a DVD)
QUOTE ("psc")
During the build your host OS crashed, propably using file system ntfs / fastfat drivers
Also yes. I used "Debugging Tools for Windows" to debug the minidump.

QUOTE ("psc")
This behaviour is unknown until now and (sorry) my first assumption is that vthis is a problem of your host PC installation.
But as said,l that vis my first assumption, and maybe the reason is really inside something where WinBuilder is responsible.
This is what I would say exactly if I were you. ;-) Nevertheless I have to mention that my system just runs fine all the day. I'm a computer specialist and a student of computer science. Will say: I know what I'm doing with the machine very well.


QUOTE ("psc")
Unfortunatelly currently there is no log (and I do not see a alternity for the future) when the host crashes. Weonly can catch a log when WinBuilder stops.
You could write/append a new line to the log every step it went forward, adding an OK or FAILED to the step just done and the next step that has to follow.

QUOTE ("psc")
To get some more information, please download 'nativeEx_barebone_075' from my signatuer below.
Yes, building a nativeEx_barebone_075 from an XP_SP2_CD works well, it instantly booted in a virtualbox installation.
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post Oct 9 2008, 09:45 PM
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It sounds to me like the glitch is likely occurring when a WIM image is being attempted to be mounted. But both Peter and I are quite inexperienced with VistaPE (I haven't built one this year that I remember), so hopefully someone from that project might be able to help you out more.

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post Oct 9 2008, 10:12 PM
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Hi Chris.

I know you might have already checked this but you never know - are you using strictly x86 OS sources and hosts? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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In case you don't find a solution, it's also possible to run a fresh copy of windows XP from a PC emulator like Virtual Box and it should help you get things working as expected.

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post Oct 10 2008, 06:02 AM
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QUOTE (Galapo @ Oct 9 2008, 11:45 PM) *
It sounds to me like the glitch is likely occurring when a WIM image is being attempted to be mounted.
I tried to "compile" VistaPE under Ubuntu8.04 with the help of WINE. It does not break but pushes kind of "Mount error" three times.
Would it help, deselecting any WIM containing point of the options?


QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 10 2008, 12:12 AM) *
I know you might have already checked this but you never know - are you using strictly x86 OS sources and hosts? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Yes, host and source DVD OS are x86 (32bit) software. I do not use any other WinXP Tweaks but a Gnome desktop theme.
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post Oct 10 2008, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE (ChrisP @ Oct 10 2008, 05:02 PM) *
I tried to "compile" VistaPE under Ubuntu8.04 with the help of WINE. It does not break but pushes kind of "Mount error" three times.
Would it help, deselecting any WIM containing point of the options?

Not unexpected, I'd say. Mounting of WIM images under WINE I would say is not possible. The mounting is necessary in order to retreive the files necessary with which to build VistaPE.

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post Oct 10 2008, 09:10 PM
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Today I setup an extra virtualBox, installed WinXP SP3 with latest updates and downloaded WinBuilder from your signature, (was "beta5 k" I think).
It ended up in a crashing virtualBox. (Was no Bluescreen, but screen looks like scratched and system does not respond any more.)
Following settings were choosen/changed by me before:

Source Directory (%SourceDir%): E:\ (My MS Windows Vista Business DVD inserted)

Main Configuration:
Build model: Standard in RAM
Main shell: BS Explorer
Screen Resolution: 1024x768
System locale: German
Grub4Dos skin: Gentleblue

Force place all Programms to RAM disk: checked

Base\PreConfig:
Adjusted path to WAIK

Every other checkboxes were checked and any options leaved unchanged.


Any (new) advises?

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Christian
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post Oct 10 2008, 10:36 PM
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I'm also using Ubuntu, we've began adding support for WINE running WinBuilder over the latest betas but the current projects are not yet ready to run under linux.

Maybe after the stable wb is available we can work on this support.

I run VistaPE under a XP emulated box with the WAIK installed.

There are some issues on the present VistaPE files, Markus (ctmag) is presently working on a improved version, you might likely be interested in joining the respective testing team as these updated files might work better.

http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5875

You seem to be doing all the right steps so it's really unfortunate to see that no good results have (yet) been achieved.

I wish you the best of luck to get this going forward, I know it's not easy but hopefully your feedback can guide to solve these annoyances in the future versions.

Thanks.

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post Yesterday, 06:55 AM
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I have to be clear about that once more: I did all the tests described here under Windows XPH SP3 but that little test using Ubuntu with WINE.
Nevertheless I will test your good work again and will report my experiences.
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