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post Jan 12 2008, 06:01 PM
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BTW: Critics does not mean that somebody wants to blow up something, good critics give suggestions what could be done.

In his post booty#1 gave some rather critical words about WinBuilder.exe:

In my post I gave some rather critical words about the VistaPE project.

The really underlying issue in both cases seems to be the same.
Because I want to speak here issue-related, not personal:
Please allow me that in the following I use 'Item' for Winbuilder.exe AND VistaPE project AND ???
Please allow me that in the following I use 'Author' for Nuno Brito AND NightMan AND ???

When Item becomes more and more featured, maintenance becomes more and more time consuming.
Because Author does not have a day with more than 24 hours, Author makes a priority list.
Here sometimes it happens that the opinion of Author differs from the opinion of the other forum's members.

As a result, there is some discontion at some forum members, because they often have to adjust and debug new project versions, and also have often to adjust their own OS's rules.

Because Author does not have a day with more than 24 hours, Author should select some helpers to do the things which are not on the first place of his / her priority list, but are demanded / suggested by a lot of forum's members.
As he / she can select them following his / her own judgements / emotions, it can be proofed that the helpers are working inside the intention of Author.

I'm waiting for respone!


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post Jan 12 2008, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (psc @ Jan 12 2008, 05:01 PM) *
BTW: Critics does not mean that somebody wants to blow up something, good critics give suggestions what could be done.

In his post booty#1 gave some rather critical words about WinBuilder.exe:

In my post I gave some rather critical words about the VistaPE project.

The really underlying issue in both cases seems to be the same.
Because I want to speak here issue-related, not personal:
Please allow me that in the following I use 'Item' for Winbuilder.exe AND VistaPE project AND ???
Please allow me that in the following I use 'Author' for Nuno Brito AND NightMan AND ???

When Item becomes more and more featured, maintenance becomes more and more time consuming.
Because Author does not have a day with more than 24 hours, Author makes a priority list.
Here sometimes it happens that the opinion of Author differs from the opinion of the other forum's members.

As a result, there is some discontion at some forum members, because they often have to adjust and debug new project versions, and also have often to adjust their own OS's rules.

Because Author does not have a day with more than 24 hours, Author should select some helpers to do the things which are not on the first place of his / her priority list, but are demanded / suggested by a lot of forum's members.
As he / she can select them following his / her own judgements / emotions, it can be proofed that the helpers are working inside the intention of Author.

I'm waiting for respone!


Peter


Thank you Peter!

This is how justified concerns should be addressed.

Kind regards, phox.

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post Jan 12 2008, 10:45 PM
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Hear hear! A big step in the right direction!

+1 from me (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

//martin
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post Jan 13 2008, 06:14 AM
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QUOTE (Draugen @ Jan 12 2008, 09:45 PM) *
Hear hear! A big step in the right direction!

+1 from me (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

//martin


Please, compare carefully your posts for this subject with Peter's here
and maybe you will learn something and understand my position!

The style is also important beside the subject!

Kind regards, phox.
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post Jan 13 2008, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE (phox @ Jan 13 2008, 07:14 AM) *
Please, compare carefully your posts for this subject with Peter's here
and maybe you will learn something and understand my position!

The style is also important beside the subject!

Kind regards, phox.


Huh? I'll admit I am known to use a slightly less...diplomatic...tone (sometimes harsh criticism in necessary. Although it is no fun to be on the receiving end), but psc is saying pretty much the same as I have said. I want to take things further (code-release-wise), is all (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 13 2008, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (Draugen @ Jan 13 2008, 11:41 AM) *
Huh? I'll admit I am known to use a slightly less...diplomatic...tone (sometimes harsh criticism in necessary. Although it is no fun to be on the receiving end), but psc is saying pretty much the same as I have said. I want to take things further (code-release-wise), is all (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Being "known" doesn't prevent you to be little more considerate,
but admitting it is first step in good direction.

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post Jan 13 2008, 02:29 PM
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Well, one year has passed away:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...c=636&st=12

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post Jan 13 2008, 05:42 PM
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Havn't come across that topic yet but whole heardedly agree on the point that that we do need some structure and organization.
I've also seen that developers around here are very, very, very afraid of any kind of possible control.
But at the same time, they follow without protest, any path thrusted upon them by some technical facts implemented by some other developer! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/frusty.gif)

Why do people protest, against a 'control' that gives them the chance to be part of the decision making, but not if they are forced to follow!? (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/fool.gif)
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Is dictatorship our ideal? I always thought it was democracy!

btw. jaclaz, i don't think it will be harder to find people who are willing to donate time as project leaders than it is to find people to donate time as moderators or script developers.

IMO, non script developers are the better choice for a project maintainers.
A project maintainer should have a very clear idea about the goal of the project and should test it thoroughly, before releasing it to the 'public'. But it's usually beneficial for the person leading the way, to not know too much about the problems, that will be in his way!

A project leader (responsible for development of subfeatures) on the other hand, will need to be a script developer, as the implementation and coordination at this level is mostly technical.


In general any kind of good project lives from the cooperation of two completely differnt grounps of people.
The visionaries with the great ideas and no idea how to realize them and the developers, who laugh their asses of about the crazy ideas of the visionaries, but find ways to make it work nevertheless and are then baffled by the success of that 'nonsense' product! (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Jan 13 2008, 06:44 PM
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Okay, then let's start "counting" people.

Please everyone in the .script developer Group
(at the moment of this writing there are 33 people in it):
Alexei
Areyu_Moritii
beakmyn
booty#1
curare
CWorks
Draugen
edborg
Galapo
Garfield
HighwayStar
Holger
Lodovik
Max_Real Qnx
MedEvil
nate
NightMan
nikzzzz
Nuno Brito
Ove
paraglider
phox
pedrole15
proton
psc
ReD
smiley
TheHive
thunn
valentin
winimizer
yahoouk
Zharif

Please PM me this simple form filled:

a. I am interested into joining a "structured" approach. (Yes/No)
b. And I am willing to be "directed", or however "guided" by a Project or Team Leader. (Yes/No)

If Yes to BOTH the above:
c. I would like to work on following "base" project (s):
1. LiveXP (Yes/No)
2. Native_ex (Yes/No)
3. VistaPE (Yes/No)
4. Other (please specify)

d. I have particular abilities in the following:
1. .script writing (Yes/No)
2. Delphi (Yes/No)
3. C/C++/C# (Yes/No)
4. Other (please specify)

e. I have particular interest in:
1. Developing common libraries (Yes/No)
2. Integrating third party apps (Yes/No)
3. Drivers and hardware support (Yes/No)
4. .script developing (Yes/No)
5. Other (please specify)

f. I am willing to contribute to the project and I expect I can "donate" as much as:
1. 5 hours time or less per week (Yes/No)
2. between 5 and 10 hours time per week (Yes/No)
3. between 10 and 15 hours time per week (Yes/No)
4. bewtwen 15 and 20 hours time per week (Yes/No)
5. Other (please specify)

g. List below one to five current projects or sub-projects that you think you would like to contribute to (in more detail than point #b. above):

h. List below one to five current projects or sub-projects that you find to be needing updating/fixing/betterings (please specify what do you think specifically that needs a correction):

i. List below any other opinion/idea/suggestion you have on the Winbuilder Development Model (useful to create a Roadmap and/or giving priorities to its contents or whatever you deel like expressing)


I will collect the PM's and publish the results of this little Poll in "anonymous" form.

Any member not (yet) in the .script developer group is welcome as well to join.

Deadline is February 15th, 2008.


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psc
post Jan 13 2008, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jan 13 2008, 07:44 PM) *
Okay, then let's start "counting" people.

Please everyone in the .script developer Group
(at the moment of this writing there are 34 people in it):
...
Please PM me this simple form filled:
...

I will collect the PM's and publish the results of this little Poll in "anonymous" form.

Thanks, Jaclaz for your idea!

You already got my answer.

Peter
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