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RMaximo
post Oct 9 2007, 12:50 PM
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I'm new here and I looked all this forum without luck.
I want to create a boot CD from XP and I want to be able to make changes on files, all I want is a ramdisk that records only file changes of the CD but a don't want to load all the CD to a ramdrive because I don't have enough ram for that.
I first tried winbuilder because I thought It would do that but I couldn't do it and that's why I'm asking for help here.

Thanks.
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post Oct 9 2007, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 05:50 AM) *
I'm new here and I looked all this forum without luck.

Did you search other forums?
QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 05:50 AM) *
I want to create a boot CD from XP and I want to be able to make changes on files

If you're new to WinPE, this would be a perfect start. I started on Windows Longhorn Professional. I used Windows XP Professional SP2 to forge my functional PE and I found that it was incredibly easy to create. By default, you load some files into RAM but the environment does not allow write access to the systemdrive. This is a good protection, but an extreme one. I wanted a ramdisk but I encountered systems that didn't respond correctly to this due to lack of functioning memory. I can't use a ramdisk but I can use a filter to track changes. The upside to this is that I no longer need a ramdisk and I can export all of my variables as they are originally.
QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 05:50 AM) *
I first tried winbuilder because I thought It would do that but I couldn't do it and that's why I'm asking for help here.

Do you have a Vista install DVD?
I don't care which one.
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RMaximo
post Oct 9 2007, 03:12 PM
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I looked everywhere but I didn't find anything. It's been two weeks that I'm trying to do that.
I'll try to explain exactally what I want to do. I'm a linux user and that's the only OS I have installed and there is a game that I want to play, but unfortunately It doesn't run on Linux neither thought wine or cedega and I don't intend to install windows here and that's why I want to play it on CD.
I already created the boot CD with all the game files inside Program Files folder and I got an ISO file with 1.8Gb and that's not the problem as I'm recording on a DVD but I can't run the entire image from RAM because I got and error, something like file not found winpe.img and I thing that because of it's size. Although I have 2Gb of RAM it seems not to be enough. After all those tests I set the option to run direct from CD and I was able to boot without problems, but the driver letter X: that I can see my Program File folder and the game folder but there is no space and the game can't save temporary files and it doesn't run. I know that doing what I want all the changes will be lost after the reboot but that's not the problem because I don't want to keep savegames I just want to play It.

About the Vista Install, I'm getting It right now but I didn't finish the download yet If you tell me that It will work on Vista that will be a very good news.

Thanks and I'm sorry for my poor english.
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post Oct 9 2007, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 08:12 AM) *
I can't run the entire image from RAM because I got and error, something like file not found winpe.img

Are you running PE 1.x or 2.0?
QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 08:12 AM) *
X: that I can see my Program File folder and the game folder but there is no space and the game can't save temporary files and it doesn't run. I know that doing what I want all the changes will be lost after the reboot but that's not the problem because I don't want to keep savegames I just want to play It.

Keep in mind it's very possible that you may experience problems like hardware acceleration errors.
QUOTE(RMaximo @ Oct 9 2007, 08:12 AM) *
About the Vista Install, I'm getting It right now but I didn't finish the download yet If you tell me that It will work on Vista that will be a very good news.

I don't care about Vista. You need some of the retail Vista binaries in order for this to work though. More than likely, you can just use the Vista install CD to play your game. o_O
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post Oct 9 2007, 05:21 PM
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RMaximo, what you're looking for is called EWF or FBWF. Both are overlay drivers, that do the same for M$ systems what unionfs does for Linux ones.

Problem though, games have rather extreme requirements, especialy those not running under codega or wine.
If your build is based on one of our projects here, i'm rather sure, the game will also not work with those drivers.

But why you rather spend weeks to build this DVD, instead of simply installing XP into a seperate partition is beyond me!

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post Oct 9 2007, 05:51 PM
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Guys, this forum is called " Boot Land > Projects > nativeEx & LiveXP >".

@RMaximo
If you need help you must be more specific, noone here has a crystal ball, please do read the "Common Sense Advice" in Rules:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?act=boardrules
with particular regards to point #d.


@Daemonforce
Please, assume unless the original poster did not explicitly require help for Windows PE 1.x or 2.x, that he is trying to have assistance on the argument of the forum title.

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post Oct 9 2007, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(MedEvil @ Oct 9 2007, 10:21 AM) *
RMaximo, what you're looking for is called EWF or FBWF. Both are overlay drivers, that do the same for M$ systems what unionfs does for Linux ones.

The file based write filter is what I was after here. He might be able to use that to test his game. in a protected environment.
QUOTE(MedEvil @ Oct 9 2007, 10:21 AM) *
Problem though, games have rather extreme requirements, especialy those not running under codega or wine.
If your build is based on one of our projects here, i'm rather sure, the game will also not work with those drivers.

And a default Vista install disc?
QUOTE(MedEvil @ Oct 9 2007, 10:21 AM) *
But why you rather spend weeks to build this DVD, instead of simply installing XP into a seperate partition is beyond me!

He's either picky or lazy. I find these to be equally good. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/yammer.gif)
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Please, assume unless the original poster did not explicitly require help for Windows PE 1.x or 2.x, that he is trying to have assistance on the argument of the forum title.

You completely missed all three points to that question. (IMG:../forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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RMaximo
post Oct 9 2007, 11:03 PM
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Maybe I'm lazy when you are talking about winbuilder because I never head of It two weeks ago.
If I will be able to play the game, this is something that I will deal alone you will probably not be able to help me if that and I'm not expecting it to and after all there are a lot of possibilities that I can do with that and play a game is only one thing, that's why I'm asking here help for solve the common problem for all of them that's the fact of modify/save files.
Here is what I've done so far. Downloaded winbuilder 069 beta 6, downloaded all scripts of NativePE (that's the name it shows on the download center of winbuilder). First I tried with default options with no luck and after many tries I disabled the option on VirtualTest, I also checked the option Disable 'PE InRam' boot option and unchecked Disable 'PE from CD' boot option on Create BcdwPE script. I tried to play around with the scripts on NativePE->Drivers->VirtualFS, tried all 3 scripts there (one at time).
After all those tests some of them booted my machine, some not and the ones that worked I just couldn't save any file.
Playing the game is not the most important thing, what is important is the knowledge of creating such boot disk that I can put almost any program that will work even without any SO or Harddisk only with a CD.

Thanks.
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post Oct 10 2007, 10:30 PM
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Ok, should have mentioned that neighter EWF nor FBWF are designed to work with anything but FAT or NTFS.
With other filesystems like CDFS they only work partly or not at all. FBWF for instance only works with english code page on a CD fine.

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post Oct 10 2007, 11:31 PM
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[portuguese]
Boas noites RMaximo, bem vindo ao nosso frum.

Se no conseguires exprimir algum termo tcnico eu posso ajudar a traduzir para ingls.

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Estive a ler o que descreves e realmente acho que seria mais fcil simplesmente instalar o windows noutra partio para usufruires de bons desempenhos na performance do jogo.

Se esta ideia no te agrada - ento instalar o Windows numa mquina virtual usando o qemu em conjunto com kqemu pode ajudar bastante.

O mtodo chama-se Seamless Virtualization e capaz de resolver o teu dilema:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization


Os projectos que encontras no winbuilder criam verses muito limitadas do windows com o objectivo de resgate de ficheiros e no a performance de hardware - por vezes tambm bastante dificil correr um programa e um jogo ser certamente mais complicado visto que ir (ab)usar a placa grfica, precisar de directX entre outras coisas.


Mas se quiseres tentar o modo de arranque pela RAM - ento recomendo que faas o download da ltima verso do winbuilder (072) e tentes os projectos NativeEx e VistaPE (ateno que o VistaPE agora mudou de endereo - encontras toda a informao no respectivo subfrum)

Existe tambm um driver chamado Diskless Angel que te deixa correr o windows (completo) a partir da RAM - mas no gratuito.

Boa sorte!
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Good night RMaximo, welcome to our forum!

If you can't express well in english some technical term then I can help translating back to english.

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I've been reading what you describe and I really think it would be easier to simply install windows on another partition to enjoy better gameplay performance.

If this idea doesn't please you - then it's also possible to install windows on a virtual machine using qemu together with kqemu for better results.

This method is called Seamless Virtualization and might solve your dilemma:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization


The projects you find on winbuilder will create very limited versions of windows with the goal of rescuing files and not the hardware performance - sometimes it is quite hard to make a program work let alone add support to a game which will (ab)use the graphic card, need directX amongst other details.

But if you wish to try out RAM boot - then I recommend you to download the latest version of winbuilder (072) e try the nativeEx and VistaPE projects (pay attention that VistaPE has now changed his address - you find all needed information on the respective forum).

There also a driver called Diskless Angel that will let you run windows (full) straight from RAM - but it's not free.

Good luck!
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