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Alexei
post Oct 10 2007, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (Galapo @ Oct 9 2007, 07:10 PM) *
No need I don't think as WB already has this internal function. See the encode function: Encode,%ScriptFile%,Folder,"Filenames".

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Galapo.

I meant that download and update may be performed by a batch file, VB script or whatever else.
However, it's not really that important. Of course, "download and embed" helper script is a preferable solution.
BTW, depending on the 3rd party license some of such scripts can be safely hosted on the Boot-land because re-distribution and providing helping measures to the end-user are not the same thing.
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post Oct 10 2007, 03:31 AM
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QUOTE (Alexei @ Oct 10 2007, 01:07 PM) *
BTW, depending on the 3rd party license some of such scripts can be safely hosted on the Boot-land because re-distribution and providing helping measures to the end-user are not the same thing.


How do you determine which is which?

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post Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM
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Will somebody be so kind to explain to me:

1. What is purpose of encoding files in scripts
to be decoded during processing?

2. Isnt it better to provide them separately
or 7ziped within script if appropriate, to reduce size?

3. Why at all publish application files on the Forum
and risk legality issues, if anybody could download
them from original source legally?

I have more stupid questions, which I will place
after I get satisfactory answers on above.

Thank you.
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post Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM
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You can use webget to get the files and encode them inside the script if needed but I guess this really depends on the application itself and the author's opinion about how he prefers to release his script.

What would be really good is avoiding scripts like "Nero10 full retail with serial key" scripts available here.. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Oct 10 2007, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM) *
Will somebody be so kind to explain to me:

1. What is purpose of encoding files in scripts
to be decoded during processing?

  • To keep all needed files inside a single package
  • Easier to update when new versions are released
  • Use scripts straight away
  • Ensure all needed tools are already included

You can choose the method that best suits each case and there is more than enough flexibility.

If you prefer to keep encoded files away from your script there isn't anyone telling you otherwise - it's your preference that counts.


QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM) *
2. Isn’t it better to provide them separately
or 7ziped within script if appropriate, to reduce size?


Depends on scripts - an open office script would likely be a good choice to keep files on a separate place, but many other apps are quite smallish - depends on the script developer preferences.


QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM) *
3. Why at all publish application files on the Forum
and risk legality issues, if anybody could download
them from original source legally?


There are plenty of cases where it is perfectly legal to publish and distribute the apps from other authors here (in fact, surely a lot of them even enjoy that more people promote their work)

The discussion here is to keep that software that is unlicensed away from the downloads section - if they can download it from the source then that should be the procedure for such software.


QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 08:26 AM) *
I have more stupid questions, which I will place
after I get satisfactory answers on above.

Thank you.


As Peter once said - there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.. (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 10 2007, 09:06 AM
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Thank you Nuno!
QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 10 2007, 07:34 AM) *
  • To keep all needed files inside a single package. Could be done with 7ziped files.
  • Easier to update when new versions are released. It's even easier if files are separated: just replace them without changing the script.
  • Use scripts straight away. Agreed.
  • Ensure all needed tools are already included. Agreed.
(Bold are my additions).

In general this aprouch is acceptable for core files, but questionable for application files.
Icluded files in the scripts should be 7ziped as a rule to reduce size.

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There are plenty of cases where it is perfectly legal to publish and distribute the apps from other authors here (in fact, surely a lot of them even enjoy that more people promote their work)

But than we come to question what is "perfectly legal". Wouldnt it be better to keep
application files out of scripts and Forum and let user to worry about legality (with proper
explanation how to obtain necessary files)?

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The discussion here is to keep that software that is unlicensed away from the downloads section - if they can download it from the source then that should be the procedure for such software.


Exactly, but technocrats insist on complex technical solutions
and birocrats on additional review board.

Both are unnecessary if application files are kept out of Forum!
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post Oct 10 2007, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 02:06 AM) *
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The discussion here is to keep that software that is unlicensed away from the downloads section - if they can download it from the source then that should be the procedure for such software.

Exactly, but technocrats insist on complex technical solutions
and birocrats on additional review board.
Both are unnecessary if application files are kept out of Forum!

Lack of automated (technical) solution makes it complex to the end-user.
End-user simplicity always overweights solution complexity (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
One-click download from WB is OK. Start a batch to download is so-so.
Necessity of more then one click to gownload all files needed for the script creates extreme hardship to the end-user (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
It's a shame and disgrace to have no answer to "Why didn't you automate this?"
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post Oct 10 2007, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE (Alexei @ Oct 10 2007, 08:55 AM) *
Lack of automated (technical) solution makes it complex to the end-user.
End-user simplicity always overweights solution complexity (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
One-click download from WB is OK. Start a batch to download is so-so.
Necessity of more then one click to gownload all files needed for the script
creates extreme hardship to the end-user (IMG:http://www.boot-land.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
It's a shame and disgrace to have no answer to "Why didn't you automate this?"
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Alexei


Than offer readymade ISOs!
One click to download, burn and off you go!
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post Oct 10 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (phox @ Oct 10 2007, 12:25 PM) *
Than offer readymade ISOs!
One click to download, burn and off you go!

Sorry, Phox!

This is just the case we want to avoid inside this topic.

A ''readymade ISO" for 99,9% would contain something illegal!

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post Oct 10 2007, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE (psc @ Oct 10 2007, 09:28 AM) *
Sorry, Phox!

This is just the case we want to avoid inside this topic.

A ''readymade ISO" for 99,9% would contain something illegal!

Peter

I am not serious! It was meant as a joke.

Any user who knows what PE is, should be credited with
confidence that he will be able to download necessary files!

It is even more interesting than just click.

One touch click should be reserved only for core builds!
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