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Boot Land _ nativeEx & LiveXP _ LiveXP project - 2007_10_12

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 12 2007, 08:55 AM

Hi everyone!

A new liveXP version has been uploaded and it includes the following changes:



This project was kept simple to use, please let me know any corrections needed.

The recomended download mode brings the basic version of this project while the full download grabs all app script which sum more than 100Mb worth of software and give a nice result to use in daily maintenance tasks.

Hope you like it..

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Posted by: phox Oct 12 2007, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 12 2007, 07:55 AM) *
Hope you like it..


If I would be able to download it!

Posted by: MedEvil Oct 12 2007, 05:14 PM

Yep, Nuno something seemed to have gone wrong during upload. No download possible.

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Posted by: psc Oct 12 2007, 05:24 PM

Can't download, too.

I tried server livexp.boot-land.net

Peter

Posted by: fsSnowboard Oct 13 2007, 01:48 AM

I'm new here and can't download either

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 13 2007, 02:30 AM

Sorry.. frusty.gif

I'm unable to reach a fast web conection - will try to upload everything using dialup during the night.

Hopefully within a few hours should be working as expected. mellow.gif


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Edit:

Noticed something strange - no errors were outputed while uploading and all files are correct but have 0 bytes inside.. dry.gif

Posted by: MadSheep! Oct 13 2007, 07:00 AM

QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 13 2007, 04:30 AM) *
Sorry.. frusty.gif

I'm unable to reach a fast web conection - will try to upload everything using dialup during the night.

Hopefully within a few hours should be working as expected. mellow.gif
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Edit:

Noticed something strange - no errors were outputed while uploading and all files are correct but have 0 bytes inside.. dry.gif

Hello


I'm new here like fsSnowboard. I have the same problem (all files have zero bytes) and i think a good option is to upload all the files (ziped) temporarily on file hosting server like rapidshare or another, do a search on google for other filehosters. I thing this is a good solution for now!

Sorry for my bad English

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 13 2007, 11:09 AM

I can upload fine to other accounts but the one used liveXP is really giving me the blues - even slept in front of the keyboard last night trying to figure out the reason.

Using putty to remotely connect and using command line to move the old server files back to the original location also didn't worked.

Hope a few hours of sleep help seeing this matter with an accurate perspective.

Thanks for the sugestion - will follow it if this isn't solved quickly.

cheers.gif

Posted by: MadSheep! Oct 13 2007, 03:12 PM

it seems you fix the problem!!!!

Lets have fun cheers.gif

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 04:07 PM

I could download now with 95 % success.

Opera and MBRFix have a checksum error and cannot be download.

OB1 and PENetwork are truncated. But they have correct MD5s for the remaining rest and are therefore download corrupted.

Some Remarks:

The tree looks thumbup.gif . Maybe I have to adapt nativeEx_barebone again (last time?)

I did not realize before that an interrupted download is continoued (even in the middle of a file) thumbup.gif

MMC is still the 'too English' version. You should replace it with the latest one from nativeEx_barebone.

I suggest to unselect most apps and drivers when you upload.
The beginner user should just get a minimum config with internet connection and emulator.

The !WBManager files you copied from nativeEx are nativeEx specific.
You have to redefine before upload.
(should I do after the project is ok?)

Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 03:07 PM) *
The tree looks thumbup.gif . Maybe I have to adapt nativeEx_barebone again (last time?)


Hopefully!

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 13 2007, 04:37 PM

Sorry for the delay uploading again - been trying ever since this morning to get all files available.

SmartFTP and windows ftp conection weren't very good to step over these upload issues - but I finally found the right tool for this task - http://filezilla-project.org..

It was a matter of placing all files in queue and loop a lot of time to trying to upload them until it completed - it didn't quit until everything was done.

Will now test all possible download profiles to check that all files are correctly downloadable.

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Peter - thanks for the very quick reviews, will try to improve all the details you've mentioned and then re-upload on Monday.

btw: Also started working on the new beta, at the moment only changed a few details on the UI but should be available soon.

cheers.gif

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 05:20 PM

Like any newbie, I have downloaded “Minimal” on a Vista Ultimate,
selected path to English XPSP2 source and pressed “Play”.

Surprising result was:



With no indication of any error in log:  log.zip ( 98.48K ) : 8


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Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 13 2007, 07:20 PM) *
Like any newbie, I have downloaded "Minimal" on a Vista Ultimate,
selected path to English XPSP2 source and pressed "Play".

With no indication of any error in log:

Maybe there are still some unknown issues when running WinBuilder on Vista.

Maybe you should add OLESupport (because Explorer uses the 'build time' option).

Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 04:48 PM) *
Maybe you should add OLESupport (because Explorer uses the 'build time' option).


OLESupport is part of "Minimum" and is selected!

"Old" LiveXP works OK under Vista.

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 13 2007, 07:51 PM) *
OLESupport is part of "Minimum" and is selected!

Sorry, my fault.
Now on the second view I see it in the log frusty.gif
QUOTE (phox @ Oct 13 2007, 07:51 PM) *
"Old" LiveXP works OK under Vista.

Did you try old LiveXP right now in your actual Vista?

If not, please try, and add a log to see versiuon differences.

Peter

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 06:10 PM

The last post brought me to an idea which might solve your issue:

The Explorer 'build time option' may cause it:
Using this option, some (already installed) DLLs are re-installed in the host.
But instead of doing registry changes, my program 'regRedirect' captures these changes and applies them to the PE's hives.
I do not know what happens, if you apply Vista registry changes to a XP hive.

So, please make a new trial w/o this option in Explorer (and w/o OLESupport)

Peter

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 13 2007, 06:22 PM

I've tested both minimal and recommended from the uploaded server and they've ran fine.. mellow.gif

Are you running with UAC (User Acount Control) disabled? huh.gif

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 13 2007, 05:22 PM) *
Are you running with UAC (User Acount Control) disabled? huh.gif


As always!

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Nuno Brito @ Oct 13 2007, 08:22 PM) *
I've tested both minimal and recommended from the uploaded server and they've ran fine.. mellow.gif

Did you use Explorer's 'build time' option?

Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 05:02 PM) *
Did you try old LiveXP right now in your actual Vista?

If not, please try, and add a log to see versiuon differences.


This is log from old LiveXP:  log.zip ( 123.04K ) : 6

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 05:10 PM) *
So, please make a new trial w/o this option in Explorer (and w/o OLESupport)


Done. No help!

Posted by: darren rose Oct 13 2007, 06:52 PM

The winbuilder download of liveXp says version 10? I thought the previous version was 10 so am I looking at the right new version?!?!

Posted by: phox Oct 13 2007, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 05:35 PM) *
Did you use Explorer's 'build time' option?


Either way, result is the same: blue!

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 13 2007, 08:51 PM) *
Done. No help!

Thanks. Let's see!
I'm going to compare the logs tomorrow.

BTW: A nice 'Old' project with cleanup etc thumbsup.gif

@NUNO: Please see that the log dates from now, the same time where the new project does not work.
Therefore for me questions about user access rights are not relevant.
The reason is anywhere else.

Peter

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 13 2007, 08:52 PM) *
Either way, result is the same: blue!

The question was to Nuno!
Take a break (like I do now) until I made my 'compare' cheers.gif

Peter

Posted by: psc Oct 13 2007, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (darren rose @ Oct 13 2007, 08:52 PM) *
The winbuilder download of liveXp says version 10? I thought the previous version was 10 so am I looking at the right new version?!?!

Don't worry! A lot is really new!

Maybe Nuno forgot to increase the version number.

But Monday we'll get an updated version ...

Peter

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 13 2007, 07:30 PM

LiveXP engine is just following the same file versions found on nativeEx - I've really forgot changing the version number - at the moment I'm only using the date 2007_10_12 (year-month-day) format to distinguish between uploads and changes on the public server.

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Posted by: phox Oct 14 2007, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 13 2007, 04:48 PM) *
Maybe there are still some unknown issues when running WinBuilder on Vista.


It is working OK on XPSP2 machine!

Problem is that on old notebook I have SPXP2 on C
and Vista on D partition.

On new notebook, Vista is preinstalled on C partition
and it’s not possible (or I don’t know how to do it)
to install XPSP2 on D partition!

So, I am forced to work on Vista only

Posted by: psc Oct 14 2007, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 14 2007, 11:50 AM) *
It is working OK on XPSP2 machine!

Problem is that on old notebook I have SPXP2 on C
and Vista on D partition.

On new notebook, Vista is preinstalled on C partition
and it's not possible (or I don't know how to do it)
to install XPSP2 on D partition!

So, I am forced to work on Vista only


I'm currently in the middle of comparing logs. But that now seems not to have much sence.

As it seems to be a Vista issue I cannot try to reproduce (I have no vista).

But you can do a test:

Copy the minimum project into two empty folders (no Temp, no Workbench) on both the XP and Vista machine.
Add the RegeditWB script to both.
Then run the project(s), start RegeditWB and export the WB-??? keys.

A compare of the *.regs should show what's going wrong with your constellation under Vista.

Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 14 2007, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 14 2007, 08:59 AM) *
I'm currently in the middle of comparing logs.
But that now seems not to have much sence.


It has sence to find out, why old LiveXP is working OK
and new NOT, on Vista? That is important as most of
new PCs (especialy notebooks) have Vista preinstalled!

QUOTE
But you can do a test:

Copy the minimum project into two empty folders on both the XP and Vista machine.
Add the RegeditWB script to both.
Then run the project, start RegeditWB and export the WB-??? keys.

A compare of the *.regs should show what's going wrong with your constellation under Vista.


I will do it and post results!

Posted by: psc Oct 14 2007, 10:25 AM

QUOTE (phox @ Oct 14 2007, 12:08 PM) *
It has sence to find out, why old LiveXP is working OK
and new NOT, on Vista? That is important as most of
new PCs (especialy notebooks) have Vista preinstalled!


(I meant that it makes no sence to compare your Vista with my XP log.)

I can try, but then I need from you:Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 14 2007, 11:48 AM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 14 2007, 09:25 AM) *
(I meant that it makes no sence to compare your Vista with my XP log.)

I can try, but then I need from you:
  • Log of new project with OLESupport disabled and Explorer using 'Boot time install'
  • Log of new project with the same (and no more) items, every item with the same options, as far as possible.
Peter


I have the same problem: Vista and XP are on separat computers!

The Vista log I have posted before is with OLESupport disabled
and Explorer using 'Boot time install'.

Posted by: psc Oct 15 2007, 02:16 PM

(Recommended) Download now is ok now.

I successfully built a user defined low-apps version and it ran suiccessfully into qEmu.

More tests will follow


Peter

Posted by: phox Oct 16 2007, 06:40 AM

QUOTE (psc @ Oct 15 2007, 01:16 PM) *
(Recommended) Download now is ok now.

I successfully built a user defined low-apps version and it ran suiccessfully into qEmu.

More tests will follow
Peter


After I updated hivesFactory.Script and BuildModel.Script
from nativeEx_Core, LiveXP works OK in Vista. thumbup.gif

I will make extensive testing later today!

Posted by: amalux Oct 22 2007, 04:01 AM

Just built the latest LiveXP (wb072a), threw in my favorite tools and some extra drivers just to be safe, tweaked it up the way I like it and... Oh My God! This thing is beautiful! Every tool works perfectly, fast and clean boot, full MMC etc. I created a backup of my active partition with Ghost and saved it to the same CD/DVD drive! Yes, I can take out the LiveXP disc to use the drive for saving/loading data! This is what I've been waiting for guys, this is heaven... Thank you soooooo much for all your hard work and dedication; it's really paid off - I'm a happy dude! clap.gif clap.gif yahoo.gif thumbsup.gif jump.gif cheers.gif thumbup.gif

Posted by: Nuno Brito Oct 22 2007, 09:33 AM

Thank you for trying it out.. smile.gif

Still missing a lot of things to finish and thank Peter for his nativeEx method along with the new app scripts.

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Install windows directly from this boot disc would also make me very happy.. rolleyes.gif

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